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Sep 27 2008

How Liberals Act Conservative/ Liberal Falsehoods Part 5

2 Responses to “How Liberals Act Conservative/ Liberal Falsehoods Part 5”

1. # threedegreeson 27 Sep 2008 at 11:17 pm edit this

   This is getting silly.

   Shooting and killing doctors does not make one pro life, it makes you a murderer, and that is patently hateful.

   Suspending the rights of suspects before you find out if they’ve done anything wrong is, indeed, hateful.

   Torture= bad

   Waiting for a week while people drown, starve, and die= hateful, and certainly inhumane.

   Sending 4,200 honorable Americans to their premature death to insure a political foothold in the Middle East may not be hateful, but it’s pretty close, and certainly stupid.

   Questioning someone’s patriotism because they think/feel differently than you is hateful

   Patriot Act= hateful
   FISA= hateful
   Voting against Veteran’s Benefits= hateful
   Class Warfare= hateful
   Karl Rove(and his style of politics)= hateful
   Lynn Westmoreland calling Obama “uppity”= hateful, ignorant, racist and really, really idiotic

   Now, for the big business thing, allow me to refresh your memory, as I’m sure you have never heard of Ronald Reagan, or the Trickle-down theory of economics. Ya see, the philosophy is that if you give all the breaks and opportunities to the people at the top, the money will trickle down to us po’ folk. This has been a mainstay of the Republican Party, and the gap between rich and poor could not be further apart. Newt Gingrich, Phil Gramm, John McCain, George Bush I, Dubya, Alan Greenspan, Henry Paulson, and Roy Blunt all believe in this philosophy. They have all exploited the influence of big business to every end, and could really give a crap about “the people”. Their people are Oil People, and Oil People are all about profit, not their employees. You may want to check out a documentary called “The Corporation”, by Prof. Chomsky. It just may help you out.

   I’ve got more, but I’ll let skwguitar get his groove on.

2. # skwguitaron 28 Sep 2008 at 1:22 pm edit this

   For a day or so I thought maybe you’d ambandoned this whole “liberals trying to act conservative/liberals spreading lies about trying to act conservative/you talking about your bias and unfounded opinion of what liberals do and want… No? Well here we go.

   “Lie no. 9) Conservatives or Christians or Republicans are so hateful.”

   Okay I gotta break into something here. You mention three different types of people and try to classify them as one. Obviously (given the state of the Republican party at the moment), this is false. Christians aren’t just republicans, or conservatives for that matter. Conservatives aren’t even just republicans, and based on what their beliefs are, you’d think they’d all be libertarians. I’m a liberal, but I’m not a democrat. Sometimes I vote democrat, sometimes I vote republican, more often than not I go third party. I try to look at the issues and where the candidate stands, and whether or not they display good judgement. Many republicans (not all, by any means, but many) will just vote republican automatically. They’ll overlook flaws in their candidate and pounce on flaws for the other one. It’s good for the republican party, but it doesn’t show a lot of intellect.

   “Truth - Speaking the truth or what you believe is the truth in a respectful way is not hateful.”

   Not necessarily, depends on what you think the truth is and what you support doing for it. Back in the day some people believed black people were mentally inferior. Many politicians ran on that premise. Does that make it ok since they believed that? Does that make the 3/5 law ok? No it certainly doesn’t, but many people believed it then.

   “Saying that you think somebody is wrong does not mean you hate him or her. Even if at worst, the message that the person is giving is wrong, sharing the message is not hateful if they believe it is the truth and they are sharing it in a spirit of love and honesty.”

   What liberal have you ever talked to that said if you disagreed with them that you hate them?

   “That’s not to say that there aren’t those who share even what they believe is truth out of hate.”

   I agree, but what’s your point?

   “What is hateful is people who protest at soldiers funerals, that is putting aside any regard for the family for political or whatever other reasons.”

   Yes that is hateful, however that is not just liberals by any means. How about the christian group that goes around to military funerals all over the country and is convinced that soldiers who die deserve to die, America deserved 9/11, and anything that’s hurting America is justified simply for the fact that we are accepting of gays. They think their opinion is the truth, but it is a message full of hate and ignorance. Look, I see what you’re trying to say here (kind of) but it has nothing to do with liberals. I’d go into this more, but threedegrees pretty much said what I feel about your top paragraph.

   “Lie 10) Republicans are out only to help big business.”

   Alright this has been a republican party issue for a long time. Republicans may SAY that they’re helping all business, but when it comes down to it, the real breaks go to big business top executives. Hence the trickle-down theory. Just a few examples… If republicans really were for all business, then why would they be so anti-immigration? For many of those small towns, it’s the only thing keeping their economy running. Republicans want to deregulate everything in business… What a great idea that’s been right? More often than not it seems to me that Republican lawmakers are for helping CEO’s (like themselves, usually) make more money at the expense of the American people and their own workers. It’s usually wrapped up in a “don’t worry this is actually good for you, please ignore your civil liberties and rights, if we don’t do this it’s anti-American” presentation too. Look at what your lawmakers do, and then show me how it helps America’s economy.

   “Truth — Because republicans want to help spur the economy by helping businesses does not mean they are out only to help business.”

   Here, I’ll help you out… 20 minutes of research, it’s amazing what you’ll find. Some actual truths:

   Economic growth. Gross Domestic Product grew at an average 4.1% annual rate under Democratic Administrations, well above the 2.9% rate for Republican presidencies.

   Jobs. The unemployment rate under Democratic Presidents averaged 5.3%, compared to 6.6% under Republicans.

   Inflation. The inflation rate averaged 3.8% under Democrats, but 5.3% under Republicans.

   Interest rates. The key federal funds interest rate averaged 5.4% under Democrats, but 7.9% under Republicans.

   Productivity growth. Labor productivity grew at an average annual rate of 2.2% under Democrats, compared to 1.9% under Republicans.

   Average income. Median family income grew at an average rate of 2.2% under Democrats, but only 0.6% under Republicans.

   Private investment. Fixed private investment grew at 7.1% under Democrats, triple its 2.7% rate under Republican Presidents.

   Federal deficit. Federal deficits totaled $506 billion under Democrats, but $2.5 trillion under Republicans, with the only balanced budgets coming under Democratic Presidents.

   Trade deficit. The current account deficit averaged 0.8% of our economy under Democrats, but 2.4% under Republicans.

   Wow. Pretty much everything that has to do with the economy is better under democrats. Shocker, huh?

   “In order to help create jobs you need to do things that will make it financially feasible for businesses to create more jobs and give them incentives to want to create those jobs.”

   Yes, but if this is the case then why is the unemployment rate so high under republican’s watch? Why do they create 5 times as much debt as democrats do? Why do people’s average income barely grow at all under Republicans? Why is virtually everything that has to do with the economy in worse shape when a Republican is in office??? Listen, these are questions you need to ask yourself. I know you have your beliefs and I’m not saying what you value is wrong, I’m saying that your republican candidates and lawmakers are not making good on their word. Doesn’t that piss you off, not even a little? I know it certainly makes me angry.

   “Any good business decision maker isn’t going to start a new business or hire more people just to be nice. It needs to make sense to create new jobs so the business can make more money, otherwise they may go out of business and more jobs will be lost.”

   Fact: there are less jobs and the average person earns less money under republican watch, period. There’s no arguing this, it’s a fact.

   “And if you look carefully many politicians democrats included help out business people and businesses that give them support.”

   I agree.

   Look, I know it may seem like we’re giving you a hard time… I can’t speak for threedegrees but I honestly just want to educate people more. I wasn’t born a liberal, I became that way after I did some research. You believe that republicans are looking out for business more… you can continue to believe that as long as you want, but at some point don’t actual facts have to come into play?

   btw, you’ve been giving threedegrees all the rebuttals… come on, play fair now…

   Cheers!

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